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"It's hard to find good people to hire"

Oh, come on! Where is this myth coming from? I don't know about USA, but here in London there is an over-abundance of IT workforce (what else would justify the sub £60k senior dev job offers).



Every time I hear about salaries in London it makes me mad. Why is the pay so bad? How is it possible that the value isn't recognized? Are you able to demonstrate the value that you bring, or is it so much an old boys club that dev's are thought of as factory workers?

On a related note - why aren't there more senior software dev's building their own businesses? It seems like you have so little to lose.


Yes, the old class system. Engineers, no matter how qualified, better even than managers, are "blue collar" workers still. Better to have the right tie, played the right sports, and your father to use his network to give you a leg up. Even if you only have a a Third from Loughborough or Aberyswyth or Durham or some other joke university.

Only the City pays fair market wages to technical people, because contrary to popular belief, the old boys were ruthlessly driven out in the 80s.


City pays only a fraction of what the analysts/traders/etc. get.


But it pays programmers the global rate. I don't care that others earn more, only that I and my peers are treated fairly.


Perhaps not in the valley, but ~$105k is not ballpark absurd for senior dev in the US.

(I'm in London at the moment and I do acknowledge that this place is fucking fabulously expensive).


I live in Germany and spent almost 8 years in Austria before that & that (60k gbp = 75k eur) would be considered a very good salary for a senior dev here.


It is pointless to compare raw numbers without also considering cost of living. Rent, travel, food, entertainment, etc are all expensive in London.


Actually I think only rent and public transit are more expensive. Food and entertainment are cheaper than in mainland western Europe and flights from London are pretty cheap as well.

But it's true that the overall cost of living is still much higher than anywhere else in the EU (save maybe Copenhagen or Zurich).


I can attest to the lower than usual salary and high cost of living in LDN


Yeah but none of them are 25, thin, tall, tattooed and have boyish mustachios.

don't be hatin' bro, or what ever the vernacular is.


Heh you are not supposed to judge people based on such superficial traits. Programming skill is all that counts (according to the people who dissed me in this thread anyway).


Let me take you round the streets of Shoreditch.

Although it's more full beards at the moment than moustaches. Which I, for one, consider an improvement.




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