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I wouldn't compare mass-transit costs in Asia with the U.S. For a wide variety of reasons I haven't even quite figured out (probably labor), laying new track in China, Japan and Korea is some incredibly small fraction of what it runs in the U.S.

For example, Phase 1 of Line 9 in Seoul cost around $875m or $52m per mile. This is in one of the densest urban environments on the planet.

That's 1/5th the cost of the per-mile system cost that I linked to earlier. Which was built on open and reserved right-of-way, all above ground, and didn't require massive infrastructure rerouting or other kinds of issues you might face doing the same work in a dense urban environment.

If a developer was putting up 1,500 housing units, I'd bet they could afford to split the cost of the mile of mass transit rail running by their development if it ran ~$50m per mile.

Some back of the envelope math.

Wholesale costs on new housing is around $80-90/sq ft. So a 3,000 sq ft. home costs the developer ~$250,000.

A quarter acre of property (fairly standard these days for new suburban development) in an undeveloped or rural area runs around $5-20k. So we're probably looking at a per unit cost of $300,000.

Financing construction of 1,600 units like this is $450m.

400 acres is under a square mile, but let's add in roads and green space and things and this development would easily be 1 square mile.

Let's say we want to put a subway stop right in the middle of this and run the track right on through in exchange for zoning the development.

In Korea, that'd be $50m.

In the U.S. that'd be $250m.

The developer isn't going to eat that, so they build it into their per-unit cost.

In Korea, that's a $31,250 additional per-unit cost. So my housing costs are about $330,000 per unit.

In the U.S. that's $156,250 per-unit. My housing costs are now $456,250 per unit.

The going price for single family homes in this area is $600,000. I can make a 45% ROI in Korea, while in the U.S. I'm only making 24%. My goal was to try to make 50% ROI.

24% is a pretty slim markup. Even if I boost the sale price of the houses (advertising easy access to the subway as justification), I'd have to hit $870,000 sale prices to hit 45% ROI and $900,000 sale prices to hit my target 50% in the U.S.

Are there enough buyers for that? Maybe. But it increases the developer risk substantially such that they may not bother at all.



This will also depend on the suburb and which city its located near, home prices in the surrounding neighborhood etc.

i.e if you built a new city like this, within 15-20 mins public transit of nyc you would get much closer to the ROI your looking at.

Hell now that I think of it Toll Brothers is doing that in Hoboken. A 900sqft 2bdrm costs just under 1m.


Hoboken, represent!

It's too expensive here, but it's such a great town.


Absolutely true. In a place where the going home price is $1m. This is a no brainer. In places where the going home price is $450k, it's just not going to happen.


Where can you find .25 acre of land in a development for $5000? Locally for me, in a more rural part of Pennsylvania it's like $20,000 to $40,000 for a .25 acre parcel.


Here's some for <$700/.25 acre, but it's 2.5 hours to anything remotely urban (Scranton).

http://www.landwatch.com/Tioga-County-Pennsylvania-Land-for-...

Not individual .25 acre lots, but a committed developer can probably get it rezoned however they need.

It rises rapidly the closer in towards major cities.

If you're a large scale developer (of the sort that the county would hit up to help with transit development), you're probably going to buy a few hundred to a few thousand undeveloped/agricultural acres and get it rezoned.

This is a little better, $500/.25 acre and only slightly further than an hour from Pittsburgh. That's commuting distance for many people.

http://www.landwatch.com/Somerset/Cambria-County-Pennsylvani...

And here's some just an hour outside of Philly at $825/.25 acre.

http://www.landwatch.com/Montour-County-Pennsylvania-Land-fo...




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